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Episode 11 - The Impact of COVID-19 on Law and Life (Panel Discussion)


Episode 11 - The Impact of COVID-19 on Law and Life

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Good afternoon and welcome to the top Texas Lawyers podcast. I am your host, Brian Abercrombie, and with me as always is my co-host, Samuel Sanchez. Hello, Sam.

How's it going? They were doing pretty good.

Well, we decided to take a departure from we originally had a five series of five episode divorce podcast prepared, but we decided to deviate from that due to the pandemic crisis we got going on in the world right now.

And we thought we would bring on some guests to talk about it. So we definitely are bringing on the better half of my relationship, my life. My lovely wife, Christy is on with us. Hi, Christine. Hi. And we brought on the sands. Lovely, significant other Miss Nina Wilson. Hello. Hello. Thank you so much for having me on. Who also happens to be an attorney and can also lend us some her opinion on some of the legal matters are going to be talking about today.

And we brought my wife on who is not his attorney, but she can provide us with, you know, kind of a I know a real world kind of layman's perspective on some of the issues we're gonna be talking about. So just, you know, generally speaking, this covered might be covered 19 Corona virus thing is a is a new thing and it hasn't been around very long. And it's obviously unprecedented and we haven't seen anything like it in the legal community ever. So, Sam.

Yeah. No, I mean, this is obviously uncharted territory. And, you know, it raises a lot of different kinds of concerns across the board, not just, you know, in areas of divorce or in child custody.

But we obviously have podcasts that deal with, you know, real estate, law school, transactional law, estate planning and really across the board. This is something that has affected life in general. You know, it's never going to be the same, at least not the short term.

So let's say we've came out we've come up with a series of a few questions we want to address to to everybody. I guess let's talk a little bit about, you know, what legal concerns does everybody have. I know that's a very, very general question. But, you know, I know the biggest thing going around right now is with respect to we just finished up spring break. You know what? What does now that the kids aren't going back to school because school's canceled. What does that look like for possession schedule?

I'll leave well, I'll take that one up. Yeah, I'll take that woman. We can kind of pass it around the one. You know, obviously, I've had I've been contacted by a lot of friends, lot of clients who, you know, either are in the process of getting divorced, are divorced and have orders that, you know, really kind of lay out for the most part, both in Florida and in Texas, specifically what times you're going to get to enjoy around the spring break period, even like holidays that are coming up like Easter.

And you know, what this has done is one which schools pretty much across the country be out. It really has extended those holidays and those periods of possession. But using Texas as an example.

You know, Texas, the Supreme Court came out and said, nope, you know, here's the way we're gonna handle those types of issues. The order is it's it's going to be as if that period of possession ended like school went right back in session. And so, you know, that's confusing for parents because it's not like people are out there watching legal notices.

You know, as lawyers, I'm sure. Dina, myself, you, Brian. You know, these are things that we're paying attention to. But do you know the everyday person is worried about toilet paper and frozen goods? You know, I mean, this is not something that's really crossing their mind. You know, I would just encourage people who are listening, who have, you know, concerns or questions is reach out to competent counsel. You know, if you need to set up an initial consultation with an attorney to be able to get some insight, if you already have an attorney, you really need to be getting information from them. If you haven't received something, then, you know, B, it's OK to reach out to them and say, hey, give me some clarity on these points.

So, Dina, I know that I've actually seen two of two very well-respected attorneys disagree on this issue of, you know, the possession order says windscreen big break begins and when it ends. So I've seen two well-respected attorneys. One said it ends when they go back to school and the other one said no. It goes by the regular school calendar. So what do you think?

Well, I can tell you that, you know, I primarily practice in Tarrant County, Texas, and also some surrounding counties as well. But Tarrant County courts put out an order because they anticipated this was going to be an issue. And they they issued an order setting. It's the policy of their court that spring break ins when it was scheduled to end. Meaning? And also went further to say. So is your possession for spring break is not extended because the schools are not going to be back in session. So, you know, what I did today was I sent out a letter to all of my clients. And no matter what they do, their case that they're in to let them know about this, because the schools are using the language, you know, quote unquote, extending spring break. So that was really causing a lot of confusion, I think. And so the courts here said, no, while school is technically, you know, out and it's going to be extended, if you will, spring break ins as it was supposed to. So you're going to have the same possession and then they go back to the parent they were supposed to go back to.

So, Krista, you're a mom lawyer. So give us a real world perspective on this thing.

Well, as a mom and a child of divorced parents, I think if you're having questions about legal issues concerning your kids time with each parent or right now, there aren't activities that I know some activities are still open. I know my daughter said school is still having classes and my son's baseball team is still having practices for the time being anyway. So, I mean, I think that you need to make sure that as a parent, you're doing your due diligence and looking and checking information on your school's Web site. If you have a lawyer that you can ask or someone that you know or even put it out on social media to help with any questions. I think that's the best way to kind of handle some of these issues that come up in right now. Obviously, we're in unprecedented territory as a country for this pandemic. So it's important to make sure that you're talking to your kids about it. What that looks like for them at school is out for the time being and quite not quite sure when things are gonna happen. And just to make sure you're working with your partner and the best way that you can in whatever way that looks, because ultimately it's the kids that are really going to need the help as they're at home and it can cause issues of isolation and issues of non socialization. So just make sure as you the parents are working together to make sure that kids understand what's going on and feel comfortable with. And they're like kind of a new normal for the time being.

That brings up a good point. So, I mean, how do you co-parent in a situation like. Yes, because you've got you know, you've got obviously kids going to be out of school for an extended period of time. I mean, I've heard, you know, some schools are going back till the end of March. Some schools here have just closed for the first week. Some schools are out till April. I mean, how do you co-parent in a situation like this one?

And Brian did just like jump in for a split second. I mean, you know, obviously this is an ever changing situation. I would tell you that, you know, as we're speaking, things are changing. The president just had a press conference that says, you know, there's a lockdown, really a federally recommended lockdown. You know, no groups larger than ten. And he's saying that he anticipates this could go into August. So, you know, we're really looking at, you know, a substantial period of time that these types of things are going to be very relevant both legally and just in the real world.

And then you've got situations like, OK, homeschooling is probably going to start becoming a thing. I mean, people are going to have to start making sure their kids get some sort of educational, you know, educational value while they're out. I mean, how does that look? How do you how do you work with a partner with an X on on a homeschooling arrangement?

You know, I mean. Yeah, go ahead. No, I'm sorry. Go ahead.

No. I was just going to say I think Dana would have some interesting perspective on that as an attorney. You know, as a person who obviously practices in that area primary.

Well, really, just going back to the more broad question, Brian, that you ask. You know, how do you co-parent during this time period? I can tell you that, you know, I myself am divorce. My ex-husband and I have a great relationship. I think that we co-parent extremely well. So obviously, I think that my experience as an attorney in this field has helped with that, you know, with that relationship and what that looks like. But, you know, in this situation, you know, I can tell you that I just had that conversation today with him because he still works out in the public. He's still having to deal with people. And, you know, I am fortunately in a situation that I can work from home with all of this going on. So we discussed everything and came to the agreement that while this is going on and he is still having to be out and about at all, that, you know, he is just going to do video chatting every day just because, you know, we're both working out for what's best to protect our son. So that's that's what we felt like for right now.

What we can do also has that that brings up another question of the exposure potentially. You know, obviously, if people aren't living together, there's the potential for one person to get exposed and the other person not. And then you're bringing it in from one house to another house, potentially, if your kids come back and forth.

But kids still need to see both parents. So, I mean, it's a it's a very, very tricky situation. And like I said, we're in uncharted waters here. And if you have a dispute with your ex, you know, unless it's an absolute, you know, life and death emergency, you don't expect that you're going to get a court hearing anytime soon, because that's another problem there. They're not really either really running the courts right now except on emergency basis.

Now, I would tell you to that point, Brian, like looking out, you know, there've been declarations or we would call implement of orders from the both the Texas Supreme Court and the Florida Supreme Court that have specifically stated, you know, unless it's an exigent circumstance and these are typically removals, meaning that there's, you know, the threats to a child's life, you do not abuse. There's protective orders. You know, if it's not one of those things you're really getting put on the back burner, it's very unlikely that you're going to have access to the courts in Texas. I know specifically that they're having right now hearings in front of the Texas Supreme Court about establishing new parameters to operate courts in this environment, meaning that, you know, does that mean video conferencing? Does that mean, you know, how are you going to authenticate pleadings? You know, like things still because business still has to happen. People still have to be able to get clarity on orders, especially the situation to Dina's point that says, hey, you know what? There is no school. Well, we all know that in Texas, there's a standard possession schedule a lot of times that people are utilizing and it really doesn't encompass or anticipate these types of issues. Now, there's, you know, this one little tagline and a lot of orders that say, hey, any undetermined time goes to a certain parent. But how fair is that? And then you're talking about substantial expense. You know, so does that affect your child support obligations potentially if you're in a divorce? You know, and you still need to get divorced. You know what is happening with the property in temporary possession and expenses that people have to stay home and can't work? I mean, the legal implications are far reaching.

And then you have the issue of daycare. I mean, obviously, daycares are not not operating right now. So you've got, you know, who takes care of the kids if one parent has to work, you know, all of those kinds of things are big issues. Well, one of the other questions I'd like to throw around to the room is I suppose there's you know, this is more of a maybe a individual tort claim or a negligence claim. What about if somebody exposes you to this to this virus?

What does that look like from a legal perspective?

Well, you know, I would tell you, Brian, at least from my perspective, you know, having having dealt with some tort law litigation in the past, you know, I definitely think that there's going to be some. And we can anticipate some litigation on this issue. You know, I mean, I think if you look at anything, it's careless because, you know, as an example, I don't know if anybody's seen all these images. You know, if you're 21 and you're still out and it's spring break and you're packed into these bars or restaurants, just kind of flaunting that, you know, the directives that are coming from the CDC or the federal government or your state local government, you know, do you have some potential exposure legally in that? I would think you do, especially if there's going to be, you know, mandates, federal mandates, state mandates that say, hey, this is what we are not supposed to be doing and you flaunt them and then you bring that virus home or take it to a friend's. And, you know, they have a relative who passes away. You're going to talk about wrongful death suit. I mean, there's. Some exposure there now litigating that is going to be extremely complex because how do you know where you got it right? Pinpointing a virus is difficult, but you know, they're getting they're getting much more precise in how they're they're able to track this and it's spread. And I think you definitely should air on the side of caution rather than risking people's health and then obviously your financial or personal health as well.

And I just want to either ask the question or add, isn't there a precedent set for that and other illnesses like, you know, people giving knowingly having, let's say, for example, HIV AIDS and knowingly passing it on to somebody? Aren't there legal precedents that have been set for that? Is this the same kind of thing?

It very well could be. I mean, I don't think it's so new. And, you know, we're finding out new and stuff every day about how the virus is transmitted. And, you know, sometimes people can walk around not knowing that they have it. And then, you know, if if somebody knowingly has it, I think I think, yes. That they have talked about prosecutions potentially and things like that if somebody knowingly has it and passes it along.

But they've also you know, they also have talked about a large area of uncertainty with regard to that.

I think you're definitely going to be treading on new water there. Christine, to be able to kind of chase it down. But I guarantee you, if if there's lawyers out there that are contemplating this, it's definitely something that, you know, they find somebody out there who has a wealth and resources, they're going to chase it down. And even if you don't even if they think you know me, you may be able to attack somebody v._a, you know, let's say a claim against their homeowners insurance. We went to a party. They knew that they were feeling sick. They didn't tell us. Now we're all ill. You know, my my grandparents who lives at home with me or my child got ill and I have medical expenses. I guarantee you that if they can kind of put those two things together, it'll absolutely very likely, you know, in select litigation.

Let's talk about this. And this is this. This affects everybody, lawyers and non-lawyers alike. Have you had to make any tough decisions based upon the new. You know, obviously, the federal and state directors are changing on a daily basis. But have you had to make any tough decisions concerning, you know, concerning life or concerning things you normally do based on these directives?

Well, we're just going to say, I mean, obviously, you know, the decision that was made as far as, you know, my son going back and forth, that was that was a very difficult, very difficult decision.

He participates in sports as well. He is. And judo is very, very close race to face contact. And I actually made the decision a couple weeks ago with this happening that I was just an error on the side of caution. Go ahead, take him out and not remove him. You know, as though he's never going to go back. They just go ahead and sit out while this is going on, you know?

So things like that. You know, I kind of thought about it. And I know that sometimes I can be an overly cautious person. But that's just how I deal with things. And that's how I feel better about situations is to feel like I'm prepared and that I did what I needed to do. But so I basically just kind of looked at it and said, is it necessary? Is it something that is an absolute necessity? Now, obviously, if school if they would have canceled school and you know, that was going on today, it would have worried me all day to day for him to go to school because he has friends that were traveling for spring break in his classroom and all of that. But, you know, at the end of the day, I would have had to have thought about it and say, well, he he's got to go to school. I can't just keep him home because I want to, but I don't have to send them to that activity and put him in. That's a good point. Is that right?

Kristie, sorry. No, I was going to say some of the decisions that you've had to make, too. I mean, I have boomer parents that live a mile from us whom we see often with our children. And they came by, I think on Sunday. And we have just been on two planes and two airports in a different state at a combined water park that is not air exposed. And so I was concerned about even seeing them because I did not potentially want to pass if I had. I don't even know if you know. Now they're saying you can have it and have symptoms. I mean, not show symptoms, but you can still pass it.

So we you know, we're wrestling with the decision of do we even let the kids see them? Do we just stay completely away also with the baseball? You know, they're still having tournaments over the weekend. And, you know, we were just talking about how, you know, you know, that edict from the baseball organization was, well, kids just want to play. Parents want their kids to play, and that's fine. But I think these these larger organizations have a social responsibility to their community to say, you know what, we're going to do our part and everything we can to follow the guidelines and not put it. Many people at risk, especially at the open air baseball tournament where people of all ages, from babies to grandparents, are coming in and out, going to the not so clean restrooms, going to the concession stand and then potentially, you know, contacting this disease. So there have definitely been some spirited discussion going on.

I think we made the decision as a family that we're just pulling our son out of this until this is this is over with because it's just youth sports at the end of the day and it's just baseball and it's just a little soccer shirt went ahead and made the wise decision of shutting down, but doesn't seem like baseballs, you know, following that same thing.

But we just made the decision as a family that that we're not going to expose our child to this. And it's just going to have to be. And taking a break for a while.

Yeah, and you know, the challenge behind everything that you guys are saying. It's obviously very wise and I wish that, you know, all people would have that kind of wisdom as they anticipate and, you know, hear these new directives. I mean, no more than 10 people. And that's like that's unheard of. Right. All the things that are happening around us are completely unprecedented and unheard of. And it's it's a sad state of affairs to see that, you know, individuals, even after getting this type of directive, aren't really listening to officials or just kind of like flaunting their, you know, flaunting, you know, in the face of it and saying, well, we're gonna do what we want to do anyways. And I do think that in situations like you guys, you're making smart decisions as parents. I guess the turnaround question is, so, you know, how does that affect your job, 1 and 2? You know, there's obviously financial implications associated with that for everybody. You know, everybody stay in home. Nobody's spending money. You know, how does work happen? What is somebodies job like Deena's instance or her ex-husband is required? I mean, obviously, he's he's like, I got have a paycheck. So if it's gonna be that, I've got to still fulfill those duties.

You know, I think those are all the concerns and unanswered questions that we're gonna be dealing with as we go forward in this.

Totally agree. I mean, there's the obviously the federal government is putting in place plans to try to help, you know, hourly employees and things like that. We're gonna be seriously affected by this. But, yeah, I mean, what do you do in situations where you have to make it pay a child support payment, for example, or spousal support payments and you can't and you can't work. I mean, obviously, that doesn't rise to the level of a life and death emergency. But at the same time, you may need to get relief from a court.

So, right, and if you can't get access to that court, then, you know, these are the kinds of things that people are going to be wrestling with in the short term, especially if it goes on beyond, you know, a two week period. I was try to tell people there's legal time and there's real people time, you know, legal time. Two weeks in legal time is not one, but two weeks in real people. Time is a really long time to not have a paycheck, you know, and not being able to kind of figure out what's going to happen financially. So, you know, it's definitely something that I think just as people we're gonna have, we're gonna have to work through. I think courts are going to be inundated. I would recommend the clients who are listening are potential clients who, you know, if you have a lawyer, talk to them. If you don't, you really need to contemplate timing. Right. Because, you know, right now, people, I think, are kind of sitting on their hands thinking like, what should I do? Anything. And, you know, I would encourage them to really, if you're having these concerns, reach out, start formulating a plan, you know, take some action. You may not be able to get into court, but that key was going to get longer and longer as time goes on for people to come back in and get relief. And if you're already having those kinds of questions and concerns, I would encourage you not to wait to deal with them upfront.

Another question, I guess, is this is kind of off the oh, it's a little bit of a change in direction. I mean, what do we tell clients about estate planning at this particular moment of time? And obviously, this is you know, I know it's mostly striking people over the age of 50 who are over the age of 60, rather. But it is a life and death kind of situation. So what are we telling people with regard to their estate plan?

Yeah. You know, I would encourage, you know, everybody on the panel today. You know, we all have parents, we all have relatives, our friends, family. First off, everybody needs a will. If you have one. Great. If you haven't updated it, it's probably a good time, you know, to just sit down, take a look at it and see if it needs to be changed. Contact, competent counsel or an attorney. Haven't take a look at it, give you some advice and update that you especially in situations like that. Cause right now, yes, they're saying, you know, it does primarily affect, you know, the elderly people who have afflictions. But we just don't know. I mean, you don't know. You know, if you get infected, you know, it could be that it simultaneously is something else. You know, maybe you're suffering from the common cold or the flu and you get something like this on top of it. Well, guess what? You're thirty five, but you're still susceptible. And we just still don't know. We don't know what the future holds as far as saying our health or what to say. It's twenty one. It's gonna be presented so rare.

But what I read is that it's basically twenty one days from the time the first virus goes up your nose to the time when you potentially could die. So it could be 21 days. So that's how serious it is.

And yeah. Bryan. And if you look at that and you know, you sit there and you think, okay, well, why do I need an estate plan? I mean, one, it saves your family from having to do a lot of things for you, even if it's just the physician's directive. Right. There's in Texas at least, and in Florida, it's called something different, but basically the same principle. It's just you being able to give directions to your physician about like, if I'm super sick, how do I want medical decisions made for me at the end of my life or do I want to be able to pass out if I'm unable to make decisions for myself?

You know, there's medical durable power of attorneys or, you know, you know, you know, the actual power of attorneys that help people be in a position to be able to make decisions or help decide things as far as finances, getting access to accounts, you know, providing for, you know, help decisions. You know, these are all things that the law provides people the opportunity to have in place in case there's an emergency. And, you know, heaven forbid that you need.

But when you need it, by God, you're really to lawyers.

So I really was just going to get this done very, very quickly. Typically to I mean, at a physician's directive or a medical power of attorney or even a simple will, it can be done very, very quickly, typically.

So can I also add to. Just from an outside or not legal perspective, you know, having these documents like power of attorney or wells in place, not only I think will obviously make it easier for the family that's in crisis, but also for the medical care professionals.

And hospitals failed to make quick decisions on what's happening. And as a. The really severe cases need beds in ICU units and there aren't probably enough to go around. If we're talking about a ton of people getting sick, so I think having these documents in place to be beneficial for everybody.

How serious this is a question for the panel. How serious do you think people are taking this crisis?

Well, I would I would love to speak to that. By all means.

So, I mean, obviously, I think it depends on who it is. You know, there are a lot of people I'd met.

Seriously? But a lot of people I knew were really just saying, like they're just blowing this out of proportion. You know, this is nothing more than the flu. More people die of the flu every year. You know, why is everybody freaking out? And, you know, like I said earlier, I'm always overcautious. You know, I'm that way no matter what sick season it is. Yeah. So I just have my my little tendencies and my idiosyncrasies about, you know, sanitizing and things like that every day, no matter what's going on. But I would just tell you that, you know, I caught a lot of flack from people, if you will, you know, kind of, you know, joking around negative by like, oh, you're being so ridiculous, you know, but then now, you know, things have changed a little bit about that, you know. So I I want to say that there's more people that at least I know personally that seem to be taking it a lot more serious now because they're understanding. OK, wait a minute. We've never shut down Major League Baseball. We've never shut down the NBA. We've never shut down schools for the flu like these things don't happen. So I do think that it's definitely caught people's attention for the most part. But I think that the younger population I don't want to, you know. I don't want to give too much of a stereotype here, but, you know, the younger population, maybe, you know, 20s, you know, maybe even some teenagers in that area. You know, you still have that invincibility mindset. And so I think those are the people that we're seeing, you know, in part postings and things like that, that they're still carrying on, that life is as usual, because they just don't really understand, you know, what they're possibly going to do to themselves or to somebody else.

So, Dina, how much toilet paper have you bought just before?

Well, I would just tell you, a few weeks ago, we went and did the stock up. So there was some concern that this may happen. And so but I couldn't say I'm not going to stay have it. Because then people may be lined up at my door trying to buy as well.

In all now, this I mean, this is something that I kinda like looked at a person like, how bad is it? But then I started reading and researching as I'm the type of person that reads and researches everything. And. And yeah, it is pretty serious. And while the numbers don't necessarily look all that bad now, the amplification of this thing looks like it could be a it could be astronomical if we don't get you know, if you have a town that only has 50 ventilators. But but two hundred and fifty people need ventilators, that means two hundred people aren't going to get it. And so that's that's that's a huge deal. And you don't want it.

You don't want people that absolutely need medical services to do not get them. And what what really kind of makes me a little bit upset is you've got these you know, for example, with my son's activities, you've got these these kind of tournament promoters that are trying to make a buck playing baseball and they're oh, well, you know, we're gonna leave it up to your own decision, but we're gonna go ahead and play anyway. And so people drag their kids out there and drag the family out there. And, you know, you know, 200, 300 people are going through the turnstiles at a Little League Baseball park over the weekend. And, you know, that's exactly what they're trying to avoid because, you know, 300 people can give it, you know, thousands and thousands of people. So it really just kind of people it seems to me that some people are serious, are really taking it seriously. But then there are others that just want to kind of scoff at it and act like it's it's not that big of a deal. But I think, you know, when people when you realize that people are trying to you're trying to you have a limited amount of medical services, no matter what what society you live in, you know, and you're trying to you're trying to flatten out that curve so that there's not an overabundance of demand. I think you'd like like my wife was saying to me, you have a social responsibility to do what's right.

Yeah, without a doubt, Brian. And in that let's just let's just put it in this context. Right. It's been around 106 days. It's in one hundred and forty one countries. It's on every continent, in every state. Now, schools are shut down, work is shut down, flights are shut down, countries are closing their borders. If you don't think that, let's let's just jump beyond this, OK? Let's say, you know, this is weeks, months, however long it is. We come out the other end of this tunnel. If you think that people aren't going to use your behavior during this time period, a crisis against you, should you behave badly, should you make poor decisions? Should you cause people harm? Should you put their children in harm's way? Should you cause them financial decline? I promise you, it is absolutely going to come back to haunt you. So I would encourage people at this point is to try to make smart decisions. You know, like obviously you want you to remain calm, you know, but think about the future. It still is out there. It's going to be out there past this. And the last thing we want is for you to put yourself in a very precarious situation that has substantial legal implications, either for your family, your finances by, you know, not taking it seriously now.

So we've got one last question for the panel on this kind of affects all of us, because every single one of us on this panel is a parent. So have you discussed these concerns with your parents or any of you discuss these concerns with your children?

So I've definitely discussed it with my parents. I have elderly parents. My dad is turning sixty nine tomorrow and my mom is 70. And they are heavily, heavily involved in their church. They like, you know, live to serve at church. And so I had to have some very difficult conversations with them about, you know, distancing themselves because they are in that group that they need to take care of themselves. And, you know, it's sounding very harsh in a way, I think, because I'm I'm saying don't go to church. I wasn't saying like forever. I was just saying for right now, just take care of yourself so that you can be back and doing all the things that you want to do there when this is done.

And then in regard to my son, he's 10. And, you know, he was calling it the plague and he's still kind of calls it the plague. You know, so. So we have had discussions about it. I have talked to him about how it's different. But at the same time, I don't want to terrify him. So, you know, we're talking about like hand-washing, making sure we're washing your hands. Good. And what does that mean? You don't wash your hands and then pick something up that hasn't been wiped down and then put food in your mouth. I mean, it's, you know, things like that. So, yes, we have had conversations. They had started having those conversations the last week of school before spring break let out. But I think they were keeping it kind of mild, you know. And so, yeah, I think that's the best way is so that they they can hear information from you and you can sit down and explain that to them in a way that they can understand and, you know, really disseminate the information that way. You think it should be.

Yeah. I just like to add to that. You know, again, like we discussed, my boomer parents are, you know, 65 and 70 and they live around the corner.

And unfortunately, my mom but both of them still work. And my mom has a job where she cannot tell or communicate. So when I talked about yesterday, she was going into work and she is taking extra precautions. And my dad is working for an oil company that's in the middle of it. Now with everything going on in the middle of a huge sale. And so he is, you know, consulting and trying to wrap up everything. And so he is also continuing to go to the office. And while both are in relatively good health, you just don't ever know, you know, how something like this can affect them. So I've had conversations with them about that and just making sure sometimes they get wrapped up in what they're doing and watching on TV. And then they're not always looking at the news every second. So, you know, we had some conversations about that. And then with regards to my son, who's also 10. You know, we just the news is on and we're trying not to scare him, but we're letting him know that this is an issue. And he clearly understands that, you know, school, as he's ever experienced this type of school shut down before with, you know, irrespective of, you know, hurricane, which obviously is easy, easy to understand.

But also to us here at home, I'm trying to keep a schedule on them because it is difficult if you just let them roam in their.

Yeah. All day they're cooped up all day.

They're missing their friends. They're not getting exercise. So, you know, I told my son this morning, you're going to get up, you're going to clean your room, you're going to brush your teeth and get dressed for the day because we are on a schedule and you will read and we will do certain things, stop the day. We will go outside and have outside time so that we're keeping them on a schedule because we don't know how long this will last. So I'm trying to make sure that they, you know, maintain some sort of normal routine for the time being.

A hundred percent. Christy, I hear you on that.

All right. Well, Sam, you got anything else?

No. Guys, I just would encourage everybody to stay safe. Be smart if you have questions about legal implications. Please reach out to competent counsel. They can help guide you through things you may not anticipate. You know, whether it's divorce or modification or a pending lawsuit or something that you want to sue about. You know, you really reach out to a lawyer. They can give you a lot of good advice. There's that attorney and counselor at law. And this is one of those times that I think lawyers are going to definitely be weighing both hands. So be safe out there and stay healthy.

Yes, and please, please wash your hands and follow your CDC guidelines and stay safe. And I thank everyone for their time today, and I really appreciate that. Our guests are special guests joining us today. Thank you so much. And we look forward to hopefully getting back to our regularly scheduled podcast here in the very near future. Yep. Thank you guys very much.

Thank you. Thank you so much for having me. Yes. Thank you. Well, by.

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